On Episode 535: The Millennial Saint, we discuss Pope Francis’s green-lighting of the canonization of the very first saint from the millennial generation, Italian Carlo Acutis.
Does it seem strange to have a saint from your own generation? Or one from a generation even younger than yours?
Does it take away a little from the “magic” of the saints, who lived 2000 years ago and have improbable and unbelievable legends swirling around them?
Or does it add to the wonder of the saints to know that these miracles—according to the Catholic church—are still happening, even in our day?
And here’s a deeper question: can you believe in miracles and science at the same time?
You can listen to the episode right here, or find the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, and elsewhere.
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Five key takeaways from the episode:
- The podcast hosts discuss a recent Vatican announcement about potentially naming Carlo Acutis, a 15-year-old Italian who died in 2006, as the first millennial saint.
- They explore whether having a contemporary saint makes sainthood seem more miraculous and relatable, or if it diminishes the mystical nature of saints from ancient times.
- Tiffany, who lives in Rome, provides context on how living among historical Christian sites makes biblical figures and saints feel more concrete and real.
- The hosts debate whether increased knowledge and scientific understanding enhances or reduces the sense of wonder and mysticism around religious stories and figures.
- They mention an upcoming bonus episode on the Patreon where they’ll discuss personal mystical experiences, and encourage listeners to support the podcast financially.
Full Episode Transcript:
Katy
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Tiffany
I’m Tiffany Parks.
Katy
Tiffany in Rome, Katy in Seattle. And today we are going to be talking about, I don’t know, I would call it an unusual article that came out in the paper from the Vatican recently about a new saint. And not only naming a new saint, a new millennial saint. A saint that was born during our lifetimes.
Tiffany
Yeah, Younger than us.
Katy
Younger than us. Died in 2006 at the age of 15 and just to kind of lay the groundwork, Tiffany, I am going to read you just parts excerpts from an article that was written about this in the New York Times by Alexandra E. Petrie. And of course, this is abridged, but it’s a little bit, I thought I wanted to give you a little bit of background about why this teenager is possibly going to become our next saint, and then we’ll delve into the larger topic. All right, so Alexandra writes, Pope Francis cleared the way for an Italian teenager to become the first millennial saint by attributing a second miracle to him. This just happened recently. The teenager, Carlo Acutis, is often called the patron saint of the Internet among Roman Catholics because of his computer skills, which he used to share his faith. He died of leukemia in 2006 when he was just 15 years old. In the months before his death, Carlo used his self taught digital skills to create a website archiving miracles. He also enjoyed playing soccer and video games. All right, so now how do we get on to him being considered for sainthood? Well, of course you have to consider some miracles. Right? That’s the only way to do it. All right, so Here are the two step miracles. In February of 2020, Pope Francis attributed the healing of a boy with a malformed pancreas to Carlo after the child came in with one of his shirts. Carlo was the first millennial then to be beatified or blessed by the church, which is another step on the path to sainthood. The final step is for the Pope to approve a second miracle. And this is what has just happened. According to the Vatican, the second miracle involved the recovery of a Costa Rican university student who suffered severe head trauma after falling off of her bicycle in Florence. The woman needed major brain surgery, and doctors warned survival rates were low. The woman’s mother traveled to Assisi to pray for her daughter at Carlo’s tomb at the sanctuary of the Renunciation and asked for Carlo’s intercession. The young woman quickly began to show signs of improvement in her breathing, mobility and speech, the Vatican said. Ten days after the woman’s mother visited Carlo’s tomb, a CT scan showed the hemorrhage on the woman’s brain had vanished, and she was later transferred to a rehabilitation facility. The Pope said he would convene a meeting of cardinals to consider Carlos sainthood. The Vatican, however, did not announce the date for the formal canonization ceremony.
Tiffany
So it’s, it’s definitely a go. It’s definitely happening. Well, he’s going to be a saint. We just don’t know When, I mean.
Katy
In this article, it’s more like he’s getting the Cardinals together to talk about it. He’s cleared the way to. Not the this is definitely gonna happen kind of article.
Tiffany
I see.
Katy
It still may not happen, but.
Tiffany
Okay.
Katy
But it looks like they’ve got the miracles in hand. I wrote to you and said we should maybe talk about this because I find that there is something. Something strange about the idea of a saint being named in our modern times. A saint who specialized in the Internet and love to play soccer and video games. When we think of the saints, all the ones that we see portraits of when we visit Italy, you know, this is not exactly what we would imagine. I wanted to explore the idea of. Does this make the idea of sainthood seem more miraculous and more like a miracle, or is there something about this that makes the saints of the past seem less miraculous? I guess the larger question is, the more things that we would consider, so to speak, magical, the more that those things actually enter our modern world or enter our actual day. Does that take away the magic or does that add to the magic? It’s kind of heavy stuff.
Tiffany
Well, Katy. Yeah. First of all, I mean, I don’t want to have too religious of a conversation here, but I know my father was very, very religious, and I know your father is. They’re both Protestants, so they’re not praying to any saints or anything. But I just remember as a child, my dad making it very clear to me that what was happening in Jesus’s time, that was not magic. He was very, very against the use of the word magic when talking about miracles. Whether they were miracles that Jesus performed or there were any other type of miracle that could have happened at any time. The burning bush, you know, whatever, whatever. It’s not magic. And so, I mean, that’s a Protestant lens, so I don’t know if that transfers over to Catholicism, but I kind of think it does. I kind of think magic is a no go in the Christian world in general. I mean, I know what you mean by, like. Kind of like the magical idea of it.
Katy
Yes. I’m not talking magic in the sense. Yeah, that, you know, Wiccan theology or something like that. Just more like the. The magical ideas, the magical realism type things that sometimes when you read the story of ancient saints, it sounds like, you know, this is a legend. This doesn’t sound like a real person in a lot of them. You know what I mean?
Tiffany
So many stories of the saints, like the early saints, so many of those stories were written. I mean, Catholics would Get very mad at me for, you know, hearing me say this. Some, some Catholics. I mean, a lot of those stories were written during the Middle Ages to try to drum up tourism. I mean, it’s in Rome. There was a big market for tourism during the holy years, particularly the people.
Speaker C
Who came to Rome.
Tiffany
Most people didn’t travel for pleasure back in those days. You traveled for need. Like if you needed to, you know, immigrate somewhere, leave your hometown because of war, famine, flood, something like that, or you were a pilgrim and you were going on a pilgrimage. But those people were, you know, they were spending money. Even if they were poor. They, you know, they had to eat. And so Rome for centuries was, you know, has been drawing these pilgrims. I mean, it’s still happening today. We have a holy year. Next year. It’s going to be mayhem. But when this starts to become a thing in the late Middle Ages, the church kind of starts to come up with lots and lots of stories that, you know, fire people’s imaginations and also come up with lots of relics, people’s ears, people’s fingers. Yeah, go to this church and you’ll see, you know, St. Francis’s left toenail. Go to this church and you’ll see this. And I mean, someone famously said, and I. And I don’t know who, but. Or it might just be a saying, it might not be an actual quote. There are enough pieces of the true cross of Christ around the world scattered in churches around the world to build Noah’s Ark. Yeah, like that’s how many pieces of wood are out there that are claiming to be pieces of the true cross. So, you know, as a tour guide, I always tell the stories of the saints with a grain of salt. Especially like when you said, you know, getting back to those early, early saints where it’s like she had her head cut off and then she sang for three days until she died, you know, you know, her hair miraculously grew to cover her nakedness when she being forced into prostitution. I mean, these are all actual stories of, of the saints. And so, you know, they’re very hard to swallow. So especially if you’re talking to people who are not religious, you have to kind of give them a little bit of context and explain to them, like, okay, this is what’s going on. These are why these stories have become popular and why they came about to begin with. But those are the old saints, you know, those are like 2,000, nearly 2,000 year old saints. We’ve got a lot of people in the middle too. You know, it’s not just St. Cecilia and St. Agnes and then your Carlo Acutis. Like there’s a lot of people happening in the middle.
Katy
Yes.
Tiffany
And there’s actually a church in Rome called San Bartolomeo Alizola, which is on the Tiber Island. And that church has all the way around it, like at every altar of every side chapel. I don’t know if you’ve ever been in that church, but they have little displays to 20th. I don’t know if it’s 20th century or 21st. I think it’s 20th century and maybe very early 21st century saints from all around the world. You know, there are photographs of them and they’re, you know, this is a piece of his jacket, this is a piece of her shoe. You know, what, what have you. And I know I saw that many years ago when I was first living in Rome. And that kind of made an impression on me in the sense that to me it doesn’t seem so strange, this idea of modern saints. And I don’t know if it’s because I saw that church and there were like dozens of these saints, like dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of saints. So I don’t know if maybe that colors it for me in a different way than you or just living in Rome and being like, okay, John Paul ii, the Pope, who I was. I remember when he was. I mean we all remember when he was alive, but like I watched, I was in St. Peter’s Square the night that he died. I really feel like I have a living connect. I never met him or anything, but like I feel like I have a living connection to John Paul ii. He’s a real guy. He’s a real person who lived while I lived. I saw him become a saint. Yeah, he was an old guy, not, not a 15 year old gamer. So it’s not quite as contemporary, but still it’s like somebody whose life has overlapped with mine has become a saint. And so I don’t know, I don’t know that I find it as odd.
Katy
Yeah, I think part of it is that of course I live in the United States and I live in the United States in the west, which is the youngest part of the US Historically anyway, from recorded what we think of as the beginning of the United States history. Of course it has plenty of history that goes on prior to, you know, all the white settlement, etc. But we don’t need to get into that. But our history seems relatively young. And I think that sometimes there is when it comes to some of These older historical events, or especially when you’re talking about, like the stories of the saints, like you were talking about with the hair growing and. Or they. They lived for another four days after being stabbed 40 times or whatever it is. Those things, especially from our very young side of the country, seem more legendary. Magical thinking type things maybe, or like. Right. Like you said, we don’t want to, like, make this too much into Christianity, but I think sometimes there is the attitude that the things in the Bible are beyond ancient, like, that they are mystically divine, that this book was put together not by human beings, but by history and God itself. You know, rather than like. I think what comes into stark relief if you live in a place like Rome is that you’re walking around in the birthplace of Christianity. Like, you’re walking around on streets where Christ, who is an actual living historical figure on the earth.
Tiffany
Well, he never was. Christ was never in Rome. Christ never came to Rome. But St. Peter did.
Katy
Right?
Tiffany
But Peter did.
Katy
Right.
Tiffany
And they were, they were contemporaries, right?
Katy
St. Peter even in prison in Rome, right, Where he was kept, is still there. So, I mean, I guess it makes it more.
Tiffany
His tomb is there, you know?
Katy
Yeah, yeah, it makes it more concrete. St. Peter, even if you believe very much in the Bible, also feels like a character in the Bible because he is. He’s written into parables. And so when you go to Rome and you’re like, well, yes, he was written into parables, but he also was a person who actually was here, who was locked up here and is buried right there, it becomes like much more concrete.
Tiffany
Right.
Katy
And not only that, there are buildings in Rome that you can stand before today that would have been there when he was there. So it’s like he could have stood in front of this very same building. It just makes it more like this is concrete to the earth. Whether or not it’s been spun up into legend in some ways, in the way that the storytelling is done to make it memorable, it still is. Like in Rome, it is concrete. These people were actually here. And this was built out of a place it didn’t come out of. Like a lightning bolt in the sky. Do you know what I mean? But I think it’s interesting to like, take somebody who’s like a gamer because we. I don’t know, I think sometimes our knowledge with the Internet has certainly increased. Our ability to share information with each other has certainly increased, but sometimes it can, like, minimize the kind of, I don’t know, mystical wonder type stuff that the Catholic Church was trying to spin to like, not only compel people to come to Rome, but to like, get their imaginations engaged in the ideas of these things by telling these amazing stories.
Speaker C
Tiffany here popping in to share with you a little slice of what it’s going to be like on our Rome listener trip this coming October 2024. We’re so excited to share our version of Rome with you. Our secret, beautiful and curated aspect of Rome that Katy and I have come to love over the years. We want to share that with you guys because quite frankly, there’s nothing else like it. You’re going to be waking up to the sound of birds chirping in the courtyard, the beautiful lush flowering courtyard right outside your window. You’ll be staying at the Hotel Dona Camilla Savelli, which is a gorgeous early 17th century restored monastery designed by one of the greatest architects of all time, Francesco Borromini. You can have your breakfast in that lush flowering courtyard with a little bubbling fountain in the background, sipping a cappuccino, having a warm piping hot cornetto right out of the oven and all sorts of other yummy treats. And then you’ll be meeting up with Katy and myself and the rest of our very, very intimate group. Remember, this is just a very small, select group. We’re going to have 10 rooms and we’re capping it at that. Two people maximum per room. And we’ll be heading out into the city, mostly on foot, will be exploring and sharing with you some of those things that we have discovered, some things that we are extremely passionate about, and quite frankly, some things that most Romans have never even heard of, much less seen. Just to give you an example, we’ll be taking you to an absolutely exquisite little chapel that some people call the Sistine Chapel of the Middle Ages. So beautiful and so little known that when I took my father in law there this past summer, and he has lived in Rome for almost his entire life, at least 40 years, he had never even heard of this place, much less seen it. We’re going to take you to a place where there are literally three levels of history one on top of the other. And as you walk downstairs, not only are you walking back in time, but you can feel the weight of history on you and smell it in the air as you go underground to explore these places. Katy and I will be with you every single morning of the trip for five mornings as we go off, way off the well trod tourist track in Rome. And we go to places where even though there are thousands and thousands of people in Rome, thousands of visitors, some of the places that we go will be almost completely alone. Works of art by some of the greatest painters and sculptors in history. I just cannot wait to share my passion and Katy’s passion as well for these places and for these things with you, our listeners. So if that sounds like something that you’d like to do, if you want to escape from the mundane day to day for a delightful week, a magical week in early October of 2024, then get in touch with us. The Exact dates are the 6th to the 12th of October, 2024. Email us if you’d like more more information. You can write to bittersweetlifepodcastmail.com that’s bittersweetlifepodcastmail.Com we hope to hear from you and we hope to see you in Rome in October. Back to the show.
Tiffany
I guess the question is, does having a contemporary saint, does that help to bring mysticism to the whole thing, make it more, make it more real, or does it take away?
Katy
Yes.
Tiffany
And I think you’re like thinking it takes away from it. It makes it less mystical. It makes it more like too day to day. Like this is just whatever. He was a guy, right?
Katy
I mean, I can see both ways. That’s why I thought it was an interesting debate because it could be a proof, like, look, people are being healed by visiting his tomb. You know, miracles are still happening today. It could be the opposite effect. It could be like the mysticism is not only still here, it’s tenfold, but I could also see how it would be like, oh, well, okay, maybe that guy over there is a saint too. You know, I mean, he’s a nice guy. I love the guy that works at my grocery store. He’s a saint. We say that stuff. He’s a saint all the time. And then you’re like, well, maybe your neighbor could become a saint. It could go both ways. I think that’s why it’s kind of an interesting thing. And it would go either way based on whatever it is your own thinking is like, you know, whatever your own thought process is like, for sure.
Tiffany
For sure.
Katy
Is there anything that when because I mean, you have learned so much about the history of Rome in your near 20 years of living there, so much so that you, you know, could tell us the beheading story or where the head sings for what is that story? I can’t even remember. You can tell us the story of St. Cecilia. Yeah, St. Cecilia singing after her head’s been cut off, which I’m assuming you think is probably not what actually happened but that you could also tell us the dates that she was killed and where exactly she’s buried. And so you have like all these concrete facts laid over at all. It makes me wonder, is there anything that you kind of found magical or imaginative in your own mind that became very concrete and not imaginative and magical once you got to Rome and like learned all the facts?
Tiffany
Yeah, I think it definitely happens because you study like, let’s say just like, just let’s say you’re studying a church. You know, let’s pretend that I grew up Catholic, which I didn’t. And you know, my, let’s pretend that my saint name was Cecilia and I loved Cecilia because she was the patron saint of musicians and I really loved the story of her legend. You go to Rome, you start to study, let’s say you want, you know, want to become a tour guide or you’re an art history major or whatever, you study the story of the building of the church, you study the history, I should say, of the building of the church. And if you’re reading the right books, right, if you’re really studying the well researched, serious university level books, you’re going to, you’re going to find that a lot of the stories are not, there’s no basis to them. This is what they say, you know, but there’s, you know, or, or the story doesn’t even get mentioned a lot of the time. Some things will get mentioned. For example, the, the. When they found the body of St. Cecilia underneath a church in the year 1600 when they were renovating the church, or might have been 1599, her body was supposedly like. That’s a word I use a lot in my tours.
Katy
Supposedly.
Tiffany
Her body was supposedly uncorrupted. Right. It was in. It had survived perfect shape, 1,400 years in perfect condition. Yeah. And so the man, the artist who created the sculpture of the body, as he saw it, as it was pulled out of the earth, he made like a, like a vow. Like he, he swore an oath that what he saw was exactly how he represented her in stone. And there’s. If you go to the church, you can see right in front of the statue by Stefano Maderno of St. Cecilia, you can see like there’s like a plaque with his sworn testament or sworn testimony that that’s what he saw. So that is mentioned because it is a fact that he swore that. Okay. Whether or not it’s true, we don’t know. But he did swear it, which was not something taken lightly back in those days. But when it comes to like she sang for three hours after her head or three days in, you know, the caldarium of her private bath house after her head had been nearly severed. You know, either you’re going to not see those stories at all and there’s going to be much more like rational explanations. Not just rational, but concrete explanations for things. I can’t think of a good example because St. Cecilia is not really the best example for this. But there’s probably an example out there of a church that, you know, has this legend behind how it was built, for example. I’m going to think of it as soon as we start stop taping. I’m going to think of an example. But there’s a lot of stories about, okay, this church was miraculously, or like a painting, like this painting was miraculous, created supposedly by the hand of God, you know, and they’re like, but if you carve and date it, it’s actually dates from the 9th century, you know what I mean? So, like, if you read the right books, you’re going to get all of the scientific and academic facts that unfortunately will throw a little bit of cold water on the mythical stories. And so you have to either, either you’re going to go one way or the other, which is what most people do. I feel like they’re like, I’m totally into facts and I believe in science and this is what actually happened. Or they say, well, no, I mean, I believe in miracles. I believe that God can do anything. And so even if it is carbon dated to the 8th century, that doesn’t mean it’s, it’s, it’s actually from that time. Or there are people like me who can hold two conflicting ideas in your mind at the same time. So that’s kind of how I go for it. You know, I can see how both of these are true at the same time. Why not?
Katy
I mean, that’s actually kind of the school of thinking that I’m in too.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Katy
We can scientifically prove some things and we can also admit that there’s a lot that we don’t understand.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Katy
And I mean, even like the greatest scientific discovery today will be followed by another great scientific discovery tomorrow, which might.
Tiffany
Disprove the one of today.
Katy
Right. Which is why I think there’s layers and layers and layers. Of course we will not live understanding everything. And even if the human species had sorted out everything, let’s say, like we just knew everything, like we had figured out how everything worked even in our own lifetimes, like we just don’t live long enough to learn everything, to understand it well enough. So even if we figured it all out, that doesn’t mean you and I would have figured it all out or that anybody else would have figured it all out. You know, it would be more like composite. Like we all would know our. However much we were able to figure out in our own lifetimes. And so, yes, I’m like you. I hold the same to be true. Like, you could say it was carbon dated in the 9th century and that’s when God struck it on the Earth. You know, it was in the 9th century. You know, he’s still at work today or whatever, making saints out of video gamers. All right, well, I would love to hear what other people think about this idea of a millennial saint and how it affects your thinking about. I guess the mysticism of. It’s not just. I mean, I guess it is the mysticism of the Catholic Church directly, you know, but of course, we’re getting at the bigger ideas of does the more that you learn about something increase the magic or decrease the magic, I guess, is the bigger question.
Tiffany
There’s a beautiful quote. It’s one of my favorite quotes, Katy, that just perfectly sums up what you just were saying. Listen to this quote, Katy. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Katy
Interesting, right?
Tiffany
I mean, it’s kind of mind blowing if you start to think about it, if you start to deconstruct that phrase. Okay. Are they saying that anything that we feel like is magic, there could be some technology that explains it? Okay. Or does it mean that the. The actual technology, like some kind of technology that is so advanced, is actually magic and we just.
Katy
The magic.
Tiffany
Yeah, it is the magic. And we’re just putting this label on it so that it doesn’t blow our minds.
Katy
Interesting. Interesting, I should say.
Tiffany
Who said that? Just so that I don’t. It’s Arthur C. Clarke.
Katy
Yeah. Credit where credit is due, for sure. All right, well, over on the Patreon this week, for those of you who are want to jump on board and support the show. Bonus episodes every month, twice a month, sometimes more, over on the Patreon for as little as $5 a month. You can join us, help keep this show healthy and running well, and answer all those appeals I’ve been giving you for the last few weeks by supporting the show, help us reach our goal of sustainable $1,000 in donations every month so that we can pay our bills and expand the show a little bit. And over on the Patreon, Tiffany, I want to talk A bit about these mystical experiences. Things like, well, not so much like St. Cecilia being almost beheaded. And, you know, I’ve never seen anything like that. But, you know, I would say that I’ve had a couple encounters with what I would consider perhaps, or at least call or think about in my own mind with an angel. And it’s not a story I really tell anybody. So I thought it would be kind of fun to talk about some of those more miraculous encounters over on the Patreon.
Tiffany
Yes.
Katy
If you have any, you’re welcome to share as well.
Tiffany
Well, I feel like everybody has at least one story, at least kind of like that of somebody who miraculously, I didn’t even think to choose that word that just popped up, that just popped out of my mouth. But whatever, miraculously or not, that shows up in your life just when you need them. So I feel like everybody has. Whether it’s an angel or not, I don’t know.
Katy
Yes. All right, so if that sounds interesting to you, join us over@patreon.com the bittersweetlifepodcast. There are links in the show notes, and I really do count on you to help us reach our goal and the reward. You’ll all get to hear the X Files, the Ex Files pilot podcast, where you will hear the miraculous interchange between a ex husband and an ex wife and get to witness all of the things that they agree on and don’t when they reflect on their relationship. It’s an amazing conversation with two amazing human beings.
Tiffany
All right, you called it miraculous. Did you realize that? You did I do it.
Katy
It’s now in the air.
Tiffany
It’s there. It’s floating around.
Katy
And I just want to say that.
Tiffany
Yeah, I have not. I have not even got to listen to the X Files pilot. So I am waiting as well. It is also something that I am hoping for. So let us try to get there.
Katy
Yes, please.
Tiffany
I can hear it, too.
Katy
I know. And now you’re not going to get to hear it if we don’t meet that goal. So. All right, we will leave it there. And until next time, this is the Bittersweet Life, a miraculous show that’s been on the air for almost 10 years. I’m Katy Sewall.
Tiffany
I’m Tiffany Parks.
Katy
Join us again. Bye.