How Do You Prepare for a Trip? …and what does how you prepare for a trip say about you?
As Katy prepares to fly off to Italy for the second annual Bittersweet Life Rome Trip, she notices some particular habits she has when it comes to how she gets ready for a long trip.Â
On Episode 553: How Do You Prepare for a Trip?, Katy compares notes with Tiffany to see if her pre-trip habits are weird or normal.
You can listen right here, or find the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, and elsewhere.
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Here are 5 key points from the episode:
- The hosts discuss their pre-travel habits, with Katy preferring to clean and organize her house thoroughly before leaving, while Tiffany focuses more on work-related tasks and packing.
- They talk about packing medications for international trips, with Tiffany’s family bringing an extensive “pharmacy” of medicines, especially when traveling with their child.
- The hosts discuss the anxiety of leaving pets behind, particularly cats, and the precautions taken to ensure their care while away.
- They share tips on packing and leaving efficiently, such as unplugging electronics to prevent damage from power surges and being selective about which items to bring.
- The conversation touches on the challenges of packing formal wear for trips and strategies for ensuring all packed clothes are worn during the trip.
Full Episode Transcript:
Katy
Hello. This is The Bittersweet Life. I’m Katy Sewall.
Tiffany
I’m Tiffany Parks.
Katy
Tiffany in Rome. Katy, actually, currently also in Rome right now, believe it or not, I am. We are currently on our Bittersweet Life Adventure in Rome, 2024.
Tiffany
And we still found time to tape an episode.
Katy
And we still found time. No, through the magic of radio, we are taping this before I leave just to make it a little easy, because as you’re hearing this, if you’re hearing it on the day it came out, it is day one of the big first day of walking through Rome with our special group of lucky listeners. So, yeah, I don’t think day one is the day that you actually also turn out an episode. So this is something that we recorded ahead of time. But I am doing a lot of thinking as we record about leaving, getting ready to leave, all the things that need to be done before I can leave. And so I thought it would be kind of fun to talk about what kind of a leaving-your-house person are you, like when you’re going on a trip? What do you do to actually make yourself feel prepared to leave on that trip? And I’m not just talking about the fundamentals of, like, I stick seven t-shirts in my bag and, you know, two pairs of jeans and a couple pairs of shoes. No, I’m talking about the other stuff that is around you during that period of time. I’ll give an example. This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot, is the way that I clean a house. Now, this is something I’m sure I picked up from my mother. But I like to have things very well ordered when I leave. I mean, not every sink has to be sparkling clean, but if I have the time, it will be. You know, I’m definitely gonna make all the beds. I’m definitely going to clean out the fridge as much as I can, empty the dishwasher even. I’m not going to just like run it and leave the dishes in there. I’m going to run it and take all the dishes out of there. It’s kind of like resetting. It’s almost as if, like if I never return again, the house is in good shape for whoever opens the door. Now, granted, I live with two cats and those two cats are left behind and I have people who drop in on them. Some years I arrange to have somebody come stay with them. I’m not sure as of our recording what I’m doing this year with them. I have auto feeders and such like that. But it’s kind of funny in the sense that, like, I can clean the house as much as I want. I still have two animals that are going to slowly destroy it while I’m gone. If I vacuum the couch, it’ll still be covered in cat hair by the time I return. You know, you can’t not vacuum when you have two animals living in the house, right? So some of it is for not even. So, I don’t know. I don’t feel right about leaving the house if it’s not done.
Tiffany
Question. Yes? Do you make sure there’s no dirty laundry in the hamper? Like, do you wash your clothes even that you’re not bringing?
Katy
That is a good question. I don’t actually know if I… Probably. I don’t know if I’ve ever paid that much attention to that. But I mean, it’s. I mean, there’s a simple contrast between Derek and me where he had to go down to California for work for a few weeks this summer. And as he’s leaving, he’s got like 1 hour left before he’s heading out. He’s all packed, he’s ready to go. And I’m, you know, trying to stay out of his way, let him do his preparations as he wants. But I happened to pass by one of the beds and he had been taking a nap in there and had left it completely untucked, you know, and I said, you’re just gonna leave the bed? Like, you’re gonna leave that bed untucked, you know, the whole time you’re gone.
Tiffany
Untucked as in unmade?
Katy
Yeah. Like that kind of nagging. I mean, I hate that tone where I’m like, are you sure you want to leave that bed like that the whole time? I mean, it’s not like I can’t fix it once he’s gone, you know? And I probably will. But, I mean, the. Even the idea of not making the bed I was sleeping in before I leave, you know, I just. I just wouldn’t do it. I just, you know, two weeks later, you come and you want to take a nice nap and that you find it, like, full of spiders and cat hair. I don’t. I don’t know. Yeah, I just couldn’t do it.
Tiffany
Since you were not going on that trip, maybe he just assumed that you would take care of it.
Katy
Well, yeah.
Tiffany
And that is, any other things that might have been left undone?
Katy
I mean, I guess that’s true. I’d have to ask him if he would have a different approach if it was him leaving for a couple weeks. But I do feel like he is a person who is more willing to leave things undone. Like, for instance, he would definitely run the dishwasher and not. And just be like, oh, they’re clean. You know, I don’t think he’d leave the dishwasher full of dirty dishes, but if it was run and then he…
Tiffany
Left the house, I hope not. What kind of a monster would have…
Katy
Would do such a thing?
Tiffany
It’s funny that you say that, because when we went to Japan, we apparently had run the dishwasher and forgot to. It was on. You know how it stays on. I mean, ours stays on. It’s not running anymore. It’s like blinking. It’s on standby. Yeah, but it hasn’t been actually turned off. And when we got home, we opened the dishwasher, and the light was flashing, and I was like. And it was full of clean dishes. And neither of us had remembered to empty the dishwasher in the morning of leaving.
Katy
And did you feel like it was almost as if you’d left the stove on the whole time you were gone?
Tiffany
No, it didn’t feel that bad. It didn’t feel that bad, but it was like, oh, this is definitely something we overlooked. My husband is usually very, very careful, and I feel like it’s kind of. He’s kind of lightened up over the years. But I remember back in the day, like, especially when we first moved into this apartment and we’d leave for a trip, especially if it was a long trip. And I used to joke that, you know when, like, you’re watching a space launch, I don’t know if you’ve ever watched one with a lot of attention.
Katy
Sure.
Tiffany
But you can hear the main captain talking to one of the guys on the ground, and they go through a list, like a checklist together. And the guy on the ground reminds, check this thing. And he goes and he checks it and then check this other thing. And it’s, like, so specific. It’s so, so, so, so specific. And I said to him, I said, you sound like you’re preparing for, like, a space launch with all these things that you’re checking. Because he’s checking this. I mean, I’m always, like, standing by the door with a suitcase. Like, you know, he’s like, let’s go.
Katy
Let’s go, let’s go.
Tiffany
And he’s like, okay, wait a second. I gotta do the final check, you know? And he systematically sweeps the entire. I’m like, we are not going on a six month space mission.
Katy
Yeah, you’re not. You’re not taking a ship overseas during the victorian era. Yeah. You’re coming and going. I mean, I don’t know about you too, but the other interesting thing is that it’s not like when I’m away, I think about the house and the fact that it’s, you know, empty. Perfectly clean. You know, once I’m out the door, you know, I’m out. I’ve now forgotten that I made my bed and that I emptied the dishwasher coming home.
Tiffany
But I bet you’re very happy when you come home and the bed is made. Sometimes I’ll even put clean sheets, like, brand new clean sheets on the bed the day that I leave. So that when I get home, I’ve got those fresh, crispy sheets unslept in.
Katy
Yeah, that’s pretty nice. I don’t think I’ve ever gone that far. I don’t think I’ve ever.
Tiffany
It doesn’t. I don’t always do it. It just. If it happens, if it works out, then I try to do it, but it doesn’t always happen.
Katy
Yeah. Another thing I find myself doing is a lot of, like, making lists in the middle of the night where you wake up. Something wakes you up in the middle of the night, and you jump out of bed and you feel around on the dresser where the list is of, like, pack your headphones, pack some aspirin, pack, you know, whatever the random little stuff is. And I’m writing, like, blind, you know, don’t forget to bring. And it’s almost always something that, of course, I wouldn’t forget to bring it. Your computer cord, you know, it’s always, like, something where at 03:00 a.m. i’m like, if I don’t write this down, I’m going to forget to bring my computer cord. And then I do actually end up using that list. But it’s like, with the handwriting in wildly different sizes and shapes written over each other. So I definitely have some sort of, like, middle of the night anxiety in the few days leading up to it.
Tiffany
Well, I’ll tell you something that we do, and it’s, again, it’s mostly a Claudio thing. I am on board to a certain extent, but I think Claudio goes way, way overboard. And that is that when we travel internationally, not when we travel in Italy and not even very much when we travel in Europe, but when we go outside of Europe, we basically bring an entire pharmacy with us.
Katy
Oh, yeah.
Tiffany
Because, I don’t know, I’m not a big medicine taker. Like, I try to avoid it as much as possible. And the only medicine, the only pain medicine that I take, I mean, except in maybe like, an emergency, like, a surgery type situation, is tylenol, basically the italian version. And I used to take stronger medicine when I used to get migraines. So it’s not like I’m against medicine that’s necessary, but I just try. I just feel like, you know, it’s better to. If it’s not that bad, tough it out. You know, there’s that. There is that philosophy, that belief that if your body’s hurting, there’s a reason that it’s hurting. And, like, I mean, the whole fever thing, the idea of the fever is that your body’s getting hot to, like, kill whatever infection is in your body. And if it’s hot, it’ll kill it, just, like, boiling water will. Will kill germs. So maybe you shouldn’t make your fever go down, you know? Or if you’re vomiting, maybe your body is vomiting for a reason, needing to get rid of, you know? So, like, there’s different ways of looking at it. But of course, when you’re on vacation, you don’t want a minor illness to, like, totally ruin your trip. So I get it. We also have a child who in the past was very, very prone to getting sick. And we’ve been in situations where he has gotten sick on a trip and needed antibiotics that we thank God brought with us. Because in the states, if you don’t have insurance and you don’t have your own doctor there, it’s one thing. If you need Advil, you need Tylenol, it’s no problem. But if you need an antibiotic, it’s a problem. It’s very expensive, and you might not even be able to get a prescription. And in Italy, people are so used to this. I think a lot of Italians do this even maybe when they’re, like, just going to the beach for their beach vacation, because I go into the pharmacy, and I’m like, listen, I need an emergency antibiotic for my son. We’re going to the states. I need an emergency antibiotic in case he gets sick over there. And I don’t have a doctor, and they’re like, okay, no problem. What about this one? Is this one the one you usually use? Yeah. Okay. Like, I don’t even have to go to my doctor and get a. Technically, I should have a prescription from my doctor. And sometimes if I happen to have time to go to the pediatrician, she will give me one, but they’re like, okay with it. And so we. This trip. But this trip was, like, over and beyond what we usually bring, because we were going to be in Japan, and we’re like, we have no idea what the pharmacy situation is like over there. Maybe they don’t even sell Tylenol without a prescription. Maybe there aren’t even pharmacies readily available. Who knows? So we had antibiotics for all three of us.
Katy
Uh huh.
Tiffany
We had Tylenol, which is what I use. We had baby Tylenol. And then Claudio has, like, various pain medications for, like, his, like, various possibly possible ailments, like his back ache versus his headache versus, like, the sinus and, you know, thing. And so he’s like, I’m like, do you need all these different kinds? He’s like, yes, I need all these different kinds. I’m like, no, like. Cause we had the time, you know, we had the Okie, which is, like, a pretty strong over the counter painkiller, and we had, like, maybe, like, a cold and flu type thing. And I was like, do we really need this fourth painkiller?
Katy
Like, you don’t think some of these combinations can work?
Tiffany
Yeah. And then we have. We always have to have the bentolin, which is, like, the. I don’t know. I’m sure the equivalent in English is almost the same word. I feel like it’s. It may be the same word, but it’s like, if you have a terrible.
Katy
Allergic reaction, Benadryl, maybe.
Tiffany
Maybe Benadryl is what you guys call it, but it’s like, it’s not over the counter. You have. I think you have to have a prescription for it. I think it’s, you know, if you eat something and, like, your neck starts, you know, or you get stung by a bee, you know, like, and it’s a bad sting or something. It’s for an emergency, so we had to have that. And, I mean, a bunch of other stuff I can’t even remember. Oh, yeah, the inhaler. Yeah. We didn’t bring the epic, but we had inhalers because Aurelio used to suffer badly from bronchitis.
Katy
Uh huh.
Tiffany
He hasn’t had it in a long time, but, like, he’s like, well, we gotta have it just in case, because he did get bronchitis once when we traveled.
Katy
Okay.
Tiffany
So he got his inhalers, and, you know, and then the creams. Don’t forget the creams. Afterbite, he’s like, I think we need another Afterbite. Like, one for, like, really dangerous snakes that might be over there. Like, this was the point where I was like. Because we had, like, the typical Afterbite for, like, if you get a bee sting. Yeah, but it’s like, yeah, but in Japan, you know, they have, like, these snakes that are poisonous. And I’m like, you might be just.
Katy
Being worried about the trip at this point.
Tiffany
Yeah, yeah, no, he’s a little bit like that, I will admit. It was a lot of stuff. It took up a lot of space in the suitcase, and we barely used any of it.
Katy
Well, that’s what I was gonna ask. Like, do you think that you had. Did you use it at all? Was there ever a moment when Tylenol was taken?
Tiffany
Tylenol was. I took Tylenol for sure. And I know he took pain medication as well. Aurelio took nothing.
Katy
So there you go. I mean, that’s in the better safe than sorry category. I don’t know. I mean, I’m always. Because Derek tends to be a little bit more like that. Like, he would travel with some kind of first aid, little kit, or he’ll pack definitely a lot more than I ever would. But I also have him as sort of the pack animal that carries all that stuff. So if he’s with me, if I’m going alone, I just don’t bring it all. I just don’t.
Tiffany
I never.
Katy
I truly would have even thought of it. No. Medication wise? Medication wise, I think I would travel with aspirin and maybe some sort of allergy medication at the very most. That’s it. So. I don’t know.
Tiffany
Well, it’s. It’s very. It turns out it’s very common in Italy. And I spend, like. I go to the pharmacy, and despite the pretty reasonable prices, I spend, like, $150 every time we. We leave, just stocking the medicine cabinet. Wow. I mean, having a kid is part of it.
Katy
Sure.
Tiffany
Like, you’re like, oh, my gosh, you know what could happen?
Katy
What if? What if?
Tiffany
But, yeah, not something that interesting normally springs to my mind.
Katy
Now, what about, like, the outside things? Like in leaving? I mean, you guys don’t really have the library system that we have. But, for instance, I might take back all the library books even if they aren’t going to be due before I get back. You know, I end up, like, also running around just doing random tasks for whatever reason. I’ll take the car to be washed. I’ll finally vacuum it out. I haven’t done it in two years. Why am I doing it, like, three days before I leave for Rome? I don’t know. But I am, you know, or, like. I mean, minutiae errands that somehow if I’m gone for three weeks, my brain is just gonna be wiped and I’m gonna completely forget that I was supposed to return these library books somehow, you know, as I just clear the decks. You know, all the little things I’ve been putting off. Putting up.
Tiffany
No, I’m, like, the opposite. I’m the opposite. I feel like I have so much to do before I leave on a trip from catching up on, like, making sure that my emails are all answered, making sure that any most important projects that need to get done are done, whatever. So that, you know, I don’t have to do them when I’m on vacation. Right. Making sure that I have airplane snacks and makes stuff to make sandwiches for the airplane. Take certain things to my mother in law’s that, you know. Cause unfortunately, we have a lot of burglaries in Italy, so, you know, you don’t wanna leave. Especially if it’s August. You don’t wanna leave valuables in the house when you’re gone. You know, this sort of thing. I just feel like I have so much to do and packing and then packing for El Rayleigh. Cause you gotta. It’s like, double. Cause when you have kids or triple or quadruple, depending how many kids you are. Cause you have to pack for them and do laundry. Like making sure all your laundry is done so you have enough clothes to bring with you.
Katy
Right. Which, which takes longer just because you have to dry everything in the air rather than.
Tiffany
Yeah, you have to. You have to plan for it. You have to know. I mean, in the summer, it’s not so bad. But, you know, if you’re doing a winter trip, you’re like, okay, I got to wash two days in advance so that the day before it’s all dry so I could pack it the day before.
Katy
Right.
Tiffany
And, you know, so I just feel like I have so much to do getting ready for the trip that I don’t have time to do anything that. And I usually several things remain undone, obviously, the least important things, but some things always are undone. And I’m like, at the airport while we’re waiting to board the plane, answering those last emails.
Katy
I mean, some things for me will be undone, but it will be like, oh, I really meant to mail a letter to my sister and I just didn’t get to it. And then you’re like, come back and it’s still on the list. I mean, that’s the thing. That’s ridiculous. It’s still going to be on a list when you get back home. So I don’t know.
Tiffany
Yeah, I think you want. I think you want to know that when you get home, you’re not, like, a huge pile of work is not waiting for you. That makes sense. Yeah, that’s smart.
Katy
But I’m fairly sloppy about other things. Like I have gone on vacation and forgotten to stop the paper.
Tiffany
I have.
Katy
Luckily, we have a mail slot that just dumps straight into the house, you know, so I just put a trash can underneath the mail slot, and all the garbage paper mailers just drop into this bucket. You know, I could almost just take it straight outside when I get home. But I don’t stop the mail or things like that. So, I mean, there’s things that I also miss or that I’m just like, you know, whatever. Like you said, I have to answer every email. I’m like, I’ll have email when I’m there. You know, I can answer one or two things. I’ll get the big jobs done, of course, but. So I don’t know. I mean, I will be lackadaisical about some things.
Tiffany
Do you unplug everything in the house besides, like, your fridge?
Katy
I unplug some things, but not all things electric, that kind of thing.
Tiffany
Well, yeah, yeah. We had a situation where we were on vacation and we had unplugged, you know, most of the stuff, like, maybe not the lamps, you know, the floor lamps and definitely not the fridge, but we had unplugged, like, all of the power surgeries that, like, the computer and, you know, the printer plugged into, et cetera. And while we were gone, a bolt of lightning struck our building, and every single person in the building had their modem totally destroyed. Because the modem particularly, it’s attached to.The wall through the…I mean, maybe it’s not like this anymore. I don’t even know. I don’t deal with that stuff in my house. But at least this was like, you know, this was ten years ago. So your modem is attached to your wall with a phone cord. I don’t think it’s like this anymore. But because of that, they are very easily destroyed by lightning bolts. Ours was unplugged. Everyone in the house, their modem got fried. And a lot of people had their computers, if, you know, they didn’t have power surgeons and stuff, their computers were also fried. And I felt like we got so lucky.
Katy
Sheer vindication of that. You’re just like, and this is why we do it.
Tiffany
Yeah. Or why he does it. Because, again, I don’t think to do things like that. He’s the one who does it.
Katy
Yeah. Yeah. That’s so funny. I mean, yeah, I guess it’s a good lesson. As I head into these final days before the trip. Unplug.
Tiffany
I mean, depending on what season is. October a lightning season in Seattle?
Katy
No season is a lightning type season in Seattle. So, you know, it’s more drizzle. Yeah. It’s more like, how is the basement gonna flood? That kind of thing, making sure the drains are open. And, you know, for me, I. I always feel a little bit of worry about leaving the cats. They’re two living creatures who now have essentially been abandoned to whatever could happen. And, yeah, I have people look in on them, but, you know, usually they get to sit in an open window from time to time. Not when I’m gone, they don’t. Or they’re mostly fed by auto feeders. Like, what if they go offline? I mean, that’s why you have somebody dropping by. What happens if the auto feeders completely go offline and we can’t get them back on? Am I asking somebody to move in for a couple weeks? There is always a little bit of anxiety about leaving two living creatures alone to fend for themselves. And, of course they can fend for themselves. They’re brothers. They like each other. They don’t need.
Tiffany
Yeah. Cats are very, very self sufficient. More than I think we give them credit for. No, you just remind me of something so funny. My sister in law was out of town, and she has a cat, and she doesn’t have automatic feeders, but she has the automatic fresh water constantly running. And my father in law went to feed the cat and water her plants and stuff, and he, like, reported back. He was like, oh, yeah, I got everything settled. Everything, you know, and I even unplugged a couple of things that she’d left plugged in. And he unplugged the water. Yeah, the water. Whatever you call that thing. The cat waterer.
Katy
Yes.
Tiffany
And she was like, no, you have to go back and plug it back in, because that’s how my cats. My cat has water.
Katy
That is how they drink. We had one of those for the cats, and they hated it so much that we have gone back to the good old fashioned still bowl of water. They did not like that water fountain one single bit. And I say that they’re self sufficient as one of them sitting here nudging my leg as we’re talking right now.
Tiffany
Well, they will.I mean, I grew up with cats, so even though I haven’t had a cat in a long time, I still have a very pretty good experience with cats. I think they. They’ll take that affection and that attention if they can get it. If they can’t get it, they’re pretty savvy.
Katy
Yeah. I think they may not be at their peak happiness, but they are fine. They are fine.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Katy
All right, well, I’m gonna try to get some sleep in these next few nights to try to not make too many weird other doodles. Like, bring a pen. You start writing down the minutiae. How about a nail file? I don’t know. Sure. I feel like those things, if you.
Tiffany
Can find it there easily, don’t bring it. I have stopped traveling with shampoo and body wash. I don’t bring stuff that a typical hotel would have or even that, you know, you’re going to find in a drugstore. Yeah, like a razor or, you know, something like that.
Katy
I just.
Tiffany
I might bring one if it’s a long trip, like, just so I have one, but I’m not gonna bring, like, several.
Katy
Yes, I’ll try to be pared down, of course, this time, since we’re meeting all of our guests, I’m gonna. I’m remembering stuff like bring bittersweet life stickers with me. You know, bring the booklets that we’re going to give them as a gift. So I do have those extra things where they add that extra layer of paranoia of like, don’t forget this thing, you know?
Tiffany
I feel like on our last trip, you didn’t feel like you had appropriate shoes. I feel like you didn’t like the shoes that you had brought.
Katy
Well, I liked the walking shoes that we did at the tours, but because you.
Tiffany
Photo shoot, right.
Katy
Very hard to, like, pack heels because they take up so much room, you know, and you know that it’s a cobblestone street, you know, you’re not going to be wearing heels the rest of the time. You know, it’s just for that one day, you know?
Tiffany
Yeah, well, we’re not doing that this year, so I don’t believe so. So we will. You will not need them. But what was I going to say?
Katy
Travel is you will never see me at my most elegant because I can really dress up here in the city of Seattle. I cannot do that abroad because I just won’t. I don’t have enough space in luggage, so.
Tiffany
Yeah, but I feel like dresses, it’s like the clothing that takes up the least amount of space. You just roll it up and stick it into that spot where nothing else fits.
Katy
Depends on the dress. Like longtime listeners to the show who follow us on social media have seen a picture of me with you where I’m wearing a blue polka dotted dress. We have several pictures of me in this blue polka dotted dress. That dress is so much fabric and it’s so heavy that it cannot even exist outside of wherever I am currently living. It is here in the city of Seattle. Until I decide to move elsewhere, it is not ever going anywhere electively. So I do have certain things like that where it’s like, they look so good, and yet there’s no way you could ever take them anywhere. They’re just too much, too fussy.
Tiffany
Yeah. Like your leather cape.
Katy
Like my leather cape. Leather cape.
Tiffany
Am I remembering wrong? You do have, or you did have a leather cape, right?
Katy
I don’t remember why we talked about.
Tiffany
That, but I. I think it was.
Katy
About gifts it was gave us that we didn’t like. Yeah. I no longer own the leather cape. As soon as I felt like I was far enough from that relationship, I was like, okay, this is so not me. Hopefully somebody is wearing it very happily somewhere in the world, but, yeah, it would be a fine example. Too big to bring anywhere, impossible to fold, too artisan, you know? I don’t know, but.
Tiffany
Well, one of my travel tricks, packing tricks. I don’t actually do it, but I psych myself up as if I’m going to do it. I tell myself, anything that I bring that I don’t wear, I have to leave behind.
Katy
Oh.
Tiffany
I don’t actually do it. So it’s nothing. There’s not really any true stakes involved, but I really, really try. And when I’m traveling, I look at the clothes that I’ve brought, and I’m like, okay, I got to make sure I wear everything.
Katy
Yes.
Tiffany
But of course, by that point, it’s, like, beyond the point of it. The point of it is to bring less. And I did this trip to Japan, go back to my suitcase, like, once it was shut and zipped up and standing up by the door, I went back to it, and I took out at least two or three things that I’m so glad it didn’t bring because I wouldn’t have worn and at least. At least two or three things I didn’t wear. But I was. I was pretty good. I didn’t. I didn’t bring that much.
Katy
That’s pretty good. My version of that is, you want to leave, what if you find something there that you want to bring back, you need to leave a little.
Tiffany
You have that space.
Katy
You can’t have it packed to the very. So that’s kind of my version of that.
Tiffany
Not bring books for me. When you take them out, you’ll have that space.
Katy
Are there books I need to bring for you? Well, we can discuss that offline. All right, well, we will leave that there. This here. We will leave it here. There. I gotta go pack, seriously. All right. And until next time, this is The Bittersweet Life. I’m Katy Sewall.
Tiffany
I’m Tiffany Parks.
Katy
Join us again.Bye.
